I’m wrapping up 2008 with a rapid fire random topic show that will leave your head spinning. At least, that’s how I felt when it was over… or maybe that was from the varnish fumes.
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Episode 42: A Bunch Of Random Stuff That Happened
December 19, 2008 by Dave
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Check out the video projects on FWW.com There is a multidrawer wall cabinet by Chris Gochnour…it sounds alot like what you are talking about as far as small cabinet with a bunch of drawers…
New products from Lie-Nielsen:
In the interest of accuracy in broadcasting (or podcasting)
A new panel guage
New fishtail chisels (for dovetail clean outs)
A complete line of innovative Inlay tools
Several new DVD’s
and, introduced at the WIA conference, a chamfer plane – which you would have known about had you attended – but then again, it you had attended, you’d have one less thing to whine about.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,Chet
@Chet:
My discussion in this episode was with regards to the winter 2008 catalog that Lie-Nielsen mailed out. None of the products you mention are in that catalog. It’s great that they introduced new products at WIA, but the way you phrased it is very telling: “which you would have known about had you attended.” No, I didn’t attend WIA, and neither did 99.9% of the rest of LN’s customer base.
How many people attended WIA? A couple of hundred? There are millions of woodworkers worldwide that could potentially buy LN products. This has nothing to do with woodworking… this is basic marketing. Love them or hate them, Veritas launched a media blitz and everyone knows what their new products are. If LN chooses not to match that, well, that’s their prerogative, but Veritas is going to eat their lunch.
Veritas introduced new tools at WIA and so did Lie-Nielsen. Neither of those vendors had those new tools illustrated in their winter sales circulars/catalogs.
In your podcast, your implication was clear that Lie-Nielsen was not launching new tools. In that, you are wrong. When you broadcast that in your podcast you proliferate the error.
The issue is not whether or not you went to WIA (I think there was about 350 people there more or less) but rather that you didn’t use the information that was readily available from it – and on many other podcasts and woodworking oriented sites. Contrary to what you said, Lie-Nielson is introducing new tools – and like the ones introduced by Veritas and Grammercy Tools, they are primarily advertised on their respective web sites. In addition to that, Veritas has also done mailings.
But your statements on the podcast weren’t about the marketing, they were about Lie-Nielsen not launching new products while Veritas was. That’s just not true.
That’s all my post was/is about. We have very different opinions about many things as they relate to woodworking and that’s fine. It’s my opinion that you enjoy the role of the curmudgeon and I listen as much to hear the things I don’t agree with (as oppsed to what I do). But again, that’s not what this post is about. It’s about reasonable accuracy.
In my opinion, you are under-informed.
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Chet
Product information and product knowledge is ALL marketing. If a consumer doesn’t know about a product, then the company failed to communicate that information effectively. Period. I am well-versed in the new offerings by Veritas and Gramercy Tools, but I didn’t know about the new LN products. I think they should be seriously concerned about that. To be fair to LN, their new products are all relatively specialized tools that don’t have the mass appeal of a redesigned bench or block plane… but still, LN just isn’t generating the buzz that LV (or even Gramercy) is these days.
Re: the 1000/8000 combo stone. This is what I have (well, I have the 1200/8000 I think), and yes you’re right – you’d not want to go from the 1000 to the 8000. That’s why I have another combo, which is 800/4000. If they didn’t offer any other stones in that package, yes, that’d be weird.
And re: Chet’s beef with you… He may not agree with me, but I don’t see you as having to be responsible for complete factual accuracy. You’re giving one woodworker’s perspective, and your perspective (based on the information that comes to you in the mail, and which you glean from casual surfing) is that L-N isn’t putting out new stuff. If that statement’s not true, it’s not your fault. You’re not a “woodworking journalist” who is held to the same standard as if you were writing a column for Fine Woodworking.
So rant away. If you’re out of line, we’ll let you know!